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Introducing Our First Synthetic Show: ‘TLDR’

Your business is an epic story. Tell it with ‘TLDR.’

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Oshyan Greene 7 months ago

I must be one of the few people who is near-literally "allergic" to this kind of format. The NotebookLM output has largely been truly awful (or at best funny in a laughing-at, not laughing-with way) to me. Not in how "real" it sounds, but in how hollow it makes the subject and content feel, even when it's something that otherwise interests me. I am far too distracted by the system's attempts to mimic genuine and interesting banter, asides, etc. So I guess I'm not someone who can fairly evaluate this new product idea, it's definitely not one I would have thought of or would probably use myself. 😄

That said, what my negative reaction to the actual content/experience makes me think of may actually be interesting. First the question: do most people react in a similar way to this kind of format (the literal podcast emulation), and is it positive? Perhaps there are others with varying degrees of neutral-to-poor reaction, like me. And if so, might the future of this approach actually be to tailor the format to each listener's preferences?

For me I want the "fluff" and attempts at building a story to be cut, they feel artificial and forced (I'm not saying that's "true", that's just how it makes me feel about the content). If this were a more true summary of a meeting, without the fluff but also without being dry, I think I would personally respond to it a lot better. To me this means making it as concise as possible so that each thing that is said *is* meaningful and interesting in itself, without having to frame it in some particular way. That obviously includes actionable info as well as literal action items, but also novel and interesting quotes, etc.

Anyway the idea of a listener-specific approach to this is interesting to me, and I wonder if it's something you're already thinking about/working on.

Dan Shipper 7 months ago

@Oshyan thank you for such a thoughtful response to something you instinctively don't like! a rare and beautiful thing on the internet.

I definitely resonate with some of these issues, and do find some of the fake casualness off-putting—sort of like trying to create vegan meat instead of great salads. I think this format and these voices will evolve in the "salad" direction—where you can definitely tell they're AI, and use the genuine strengths of AI to create something distinct from human podcasts.

I definitely think there's room to go even further in the utilitarian direction with this format specifically, but I also think over time we'll get more and more comfortable with AI telling certain types of stories and I'd love to be able to explore that too.

Again thanks for such a great comment! Excited to hear what you think about this as we evolve

Oshyan Greene 7 months ago

@danshipper vegan meat is a great analogy! 😄 And yes, I think I'm yearning for the "something distinct from human podcasts" that leans into AI's strengths. I haven't seen that yet, at least for audio, so I'm quite curious to see what comes next... I'll be watching for sure!

Dan Shipper 7 months ago

@Oshyan same here!

@cam.burley 7 months ago

I like that you guys are exploring new media formats. May be a hit, maybe not but its the kind of iterating in public that I think we'll see more of over time

Dan Shipper 7 months ago

@cam.burley thank you!! yeah, totally! many of these won't work but we hope we discover a few that feel amazing. appreciate you coming along for the ride!

Stephen Smith 7 months ago

I think this is fantastic. I'm a heavy user of NoteBookLM and find the ability to summarize content this way interesting, insightful, and entertaining. This is a great variation because of the focus on meetings. I also really like how you took the time to explain the process. I am curious about the decision to stay with Claude versus Gemini Pro given that you find it summarizing better. I will say that I have found Claude to be the best writer historically (much better than ChatGPT) - but the new Gemini experimental 1206 model is getting pretty close.

Thanks again for doing these things and continually showing us the art of the possible.

Dan Shipper 7 months ago

@smith.stephen.m thanks Stephen! on your claude vs. gemini pro question I'll leave that to Naveen, but if I had to guess, right now, the harder task is good writing rather than information retrieval—so even if Claude sometimes misses stuff that's less apparent than stilted writing.

will have to keep trying with gemini, their progress has been impressive!! thanks for coming along on the journey :)

yasin thakur 5 months ago

it is really good. the article also said something about the product podbrew. it turns news articles into podcast. how to get access to podbrew.

Jo Pforr 4 months ago

Wether one likes the audio format, I think AI is 'squishy' enough to give it to people in a format they love: podcasts, video, email, slack etc. Thinking this further, let's say for orgs beyond 50 people where alignment becomes harder a meta level podcast that checks for alignment across the business could be super interesting and valuable here too.